clutch master cylinder access panel

clutch master cylinder access panel

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PYNEY

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1,048 posts

219 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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hi all

has anyone on here designed an access panel for the clutch master cylinder ?
there must be a way to take this off/on without silicone and screws

maybe a polished alley cover with some form of holding wing nut ?

cheers keith

ChimpanLucky

9,637 posts

180 months

Tuesday 24th April 2012
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Odly enough I think "The Silicone Kid" has devised a seal that is entirely devoid of silicone.

You couldn't make it up.

Marty V8

578 posts

187 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Held on by copious amounts of silicon and a handful of self tappers, the clutch cover isnt one of TVR's finest designs. I modified my clutch cover when I had the engine out of my Griffith last year.

The original cover started off like this - its what was left of the original cover once the loose fibreglass was removed.




I then started to thicken the base of the cover to make it sit further off the inner wing and to create a bit of a gap between it and the master cylinder cap. The previous photo shows a slit in the middle of the cover which I think originated from a stress fracture caused by the clutch cover being forced over the master cylinder cap when it was screwed down in place. The photo below shows the first couple of layers of fibreglass being added to the base of the cover.




I found that the rough files used to file ceramic tiles are excellent for rough forming in fibreglass. After much glassfibring and filing/sanding, I ended up with this




Which is the same as the cover in the photo below. This was taken with the cover held in front of a spotlight. The black patches are all thats left of the original cover.




I needed to add material to the hole in the inner wing so that I would have something to screw the clutch cover to. I started by making up some thin, flat, flexible pieces of fibreglass. I seem to recall using the inside of a large baking tray to form these.




These flexible strips were then self tappered to the inner wing. These were used to provide a stable platform on which to build up a number of layers of fibreglass. Without some form of base, the fibreglass would have just sagged and disappeared into the inner wing.







Once sufficient layers had been built up and filed smooth I ended up with this



Then I drilled and inserted rivnut fasteners so that I could bolt the cover on and get it back off again. The whole lot was then painted black. The photo below also shows the new inner wing heat shielding that I was also in the process or making up.






After looking at this for a while I decided I didnt like the black border round the clutch cover. I had painted this to hide some scratches in the paintwork which were there from , I guess, previous attempts to remove the clutch cover. I eventually ended up repainting both inner wings as well as the clutch cover as below




This photo shows the cover as well as the completed heat shield matting.




...and another during the engine reinstallation



After putting in quite a lot of work on this I didnt want it to end up looking like a six year old had got hold of the silicon gun and had pretended to ice a cake. In order to waterproof the cover and avoid unsightly amounts of silicon being visible, I put a bead of silicon round the clutch cover and allowed it to cure completely over a few days. I also applied a bead of silicon to the mating face on the inner wing and also let that cure completely. Then the cover was simply bolted to the inner wing. I've checked in the drivers footwell on a number of occassions since Ive had the car back on the road but there is no evidence of water ingress, so it looks like the waterproofing has been successful.


I've also modified the fuse box cover that is located beneath the intake pipe to take rivnut fasteners as well.





Hope this helps

Cheers

Marty



Edited by Marty V8 on Wednesday 25th April 01:10

Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,127 posts

166 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Awesome work! How did you ensure that you got a watertight seal around the edges? AIUI, these covers are a classic way for water to migrate into the footwells.

carsy

3,018 posts

166 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Good work Marty.

haircutmike

21,844 posts

205 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Gotta say that's more attention to detail then the Chancellors effort on budget day!

Great job.

Simon says

18,962 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Tidy job Marty V8 thumbup Rivnuts are wonderful things yes

Marty V8

578 posts

187 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Thanks for the compliments. If it helps someone out, or gives them a better idea then its job done thumbup

Regarding the waterproofing of the cover against the inner wing, this is detailed towards the end of my previous post.

Cheers

Marty

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Thats a work of art but for a quick job is to use some edging ,i had some spare from the windscreen sill.

The secret is to use the right silicone ,i can rub mine off the inner wing and cover with my fingers in a few minutes ,you want a low mod black silicone .I used some very low mod gutter silicone .Its allso pulls off in one go ,worst thing you could do is use sikaflex








Simon says

18,962 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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SILICONEKID340HP said:
Thats a work of art but for a quick job is to use some edging ,i had some spare from the windscreen sill.

The secret is to use the right silicone ,i can rub mine off the inner wing and cover with my fingers in a few minutes ,you want a low mod black silicone .I used some very low mod gutter silicone .Its allso pulls off in one go ,worst thing you could do is use sikaflex

Good point Daz, high modulus is a lot more permanent frown never knew you was so knowledgeable about silicone sealants scratchchin have you had much experience of the stuff before then? . hehe

SILICONEKID340HP

14,997 posts

232 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Simon says said:
SILICONEKID340HP said:
Thats a work of art but for a quick job is to use some edging ,i had some spare from the windscreen sill.

The secret is to use the right silicone ,i can rub mine off the inner wing and cover with my fingers in a few minutes ,you want a low mod black silicone .I used some very low mod gutter silicone .Its allso pulls off in one go ,worst thing you could do is use sikaflex

Good point Daz, high modulus is a lot more permanent frown never knew you was so knowledgeable about silicone sealants scratchchin have you had much experience of the stuff before then? . hehe
Yes i blew an engine up ,blocked the oil pick up.. useing a whole tube of oil resistant high temp black silicone on the sump..furious

This is the type of stuff you need
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Low-Modulus-Neutral-Cure...

Edited by SILICONEKID340HP on Wednesday 25th April 21:01

Simon says

18,962 posts

222 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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SILICONEKID340HP said:
Yes i blew an engine up ,blocked the oil pick up.. useing a whole tube of oil resistant high temp black silicone on the sump..furious
Yes I know nuts I was kidding, i have been knocking around a long time on these forums Daz frowneek thanks for the link wink

Dr Mike Oxgreen

4,127 posts

166 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Marty V8 said:
Regarding the waterproofing of the cover against the inner wing, this is detailed towards the end of my previous post.
Dunno how I missed that bit!!

I like your idea of two cured beads of silicone that squash together without being a permanent seal. That's neat!

PYNEY

Original Poster:

1,048 posts

219 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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thanks for all the replies on this one ! i'm sure there will be more ideas to come

great work of art marty and thankyou for showing us all the pics etc

cheers keith


Marty V8

578 posts

187 months

Wednesday 25th April 2012
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Good tip from Daz re the low modulus silicon and the edging. I didnt have any other realistic option other than to re-make my cover as there wasnt much of it left, and what there was, was getting somewhat flaky. The self tappers weren't really holding much rolleyes it was the silicon that was doing most of the work.
The beauty of it was that if I had made a complete b@lls up of it, I could have thrown it away and probably got a half decent one from a TVR breakers somewhere. Give it a go. its quite thereputic biggrin


VictorMeldrew

8,293 posts

278 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Simon says said:
Tidy job Marty V8 thumbup Rivnuts are wonderful things yes
They do look pretty handy! I'd never heard of them before, thanks! Which type is best for fibreglass though? Aluminium, steel, splined - so much choice!

Maybe these:

http://www.spaldingfasteners.co.uk/index.php?optio...

OP - cracking job. My cover is off and painted body colour ready to go back on, but I'm inspired! I'm jost off to the garage, I may be a while ...


Edited by VictorMeldrew on Thursday 26th April 09:03

Simon says

18,962 posts

222 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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VictorMeldrew said:
Simon says said:
Tidy job Marty V8 thumbup Rivnuts are wonderful things yes
They do look pretty handy! I'd never heard of them before, thanks! Which type is best for fibreglass though? Aluminium, steel, splined - so much choice!

Maybe these:

http://www.spaldingfasteners.co.uk/index.php?optio...

OP - cracking job. My cover is off and painted body colour ready to go back on, but I'm inspired! I'm jost off to the garage, I may be a while ...


Edited by VictorMeldrew on Thursday 26th April 09:03
Well I prefer the steel splined ones from Wurth but only because I have there tool and Rivnuts, I have used the alloy non-splined with success on the TVR though especially the smaller jobs i.e when I moved the rad expansion bottle wink

phillpot

17,117 posts

184 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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VictorMeldrew said:
They do look pretty handy! I'd never heard of them before, thanks! Which type is best for fibreglass though? Aluminium, steel, splined - so much choice!
Nice job thumbup

these little chaps are handy,and no special tools required smile

Marty V8

578 posts

187 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Simon says said:
ell I prefer the steel splined ones from Wurth but only because I have there tool and Rivnuts, I have used the alloy non-splined with success on the TVR though especially the smaller jobs i.e when I moved the rad expansion bottle wink
I also used steel rivnuts for the same reason - they were all I had. In order to prevent the rivnut possibly cracking the fibreglass as they were installed, I put a washer behind each one to spread the load.

Simon says

18,962 posts

222 months

Thursday 26th April 2012
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Marty V8 said:
Simon says said:
ell I prefer the steel splined ones from Wurth but only because I have there tool and Rivnuts, I have used the alloy non-splined with success on the TVR though especially the smaller jobs i.e when I moved the rad expansion bottle wink
I also used steel rivnuts for the same reason - they were all I had. In order to prevent the rivnut possibly cracking the fibreglass as they were installed, I put a washer behind each one to spread the load.
Thats the benefit of the softer ali ones they flare much easier thus putting less stress into the surrounding f/glass. smile